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It's hard to bring it in to a conversation, though, because it's often used as a escape button, (i.e. "God did it").
I think the important part is acknowledging that there is a system of natural checks and balances, and that even on the universal level, every ecosystem has a progenitor, whether bacterial, plant, animal, or thermonuclear weapon.
Understanding the ecosystem is more important, however, than trying to pinpoint the exact cause of the indescribable situation around you.
If you want to make it real painful, though, try reconciling science and magic.
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